Previewing the All Canadian Games + Harsh realities of prep school basketball

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign [00:00:03] Speaker B: welcome to the Canadian Basketball show, your go to spot for the latest news stories and analysis on Canadian basketball. I'm your host Lee Ban Osmond. On this week's episode I'll be previewing the all Canadian game players I'm excited to watch players you should have on your radar. And on the second half of the show, three time all Canadian Keyshawn Saunders joins the show to talk about his experience as a player in the Canadian system. What's wrong with Canadian basketball? Maybe the red flags parents kids need to watch out for when it comes to basketball in this country. A real and authentic convo with Keyshawn. And after that we'll be playing some trivia putting one of our interns to the test on Canadian basketball. Let's see how he does. But before we get to that, a shout out to Toronto Metropolitan University women's basketball head coach Carlie Clark being named an assistant coach for the Toronto tempo. Karlie spent 14 years at TMU and I've been wondering, I think a lot of people have been wondering when she would make the jump to the next level. And here it is. Led TMU to three Ontario titles I believe just recently last month I was there. Insane. Won a U sports national championship in in 2022. Went undefeated. Insane. That was after my time. I literally just graduated and Carly said I'm gonna get it done which is kind of sad for me but. Shout out to Carly. Been coaching helping develop some of Canada's brightest stars we see on the college level. Past few years coaching at the Hoop Summit. I've been there watching her. And the only coach to win two medals at the FEBA U19 World Cup. That's Carly Clark for y'. [00:02:01] Speaker A: All. [00:02:01] Speaker B: Excited for her. What's next for her in her coaching journey? Shout out to Carly. We'll be all watching. We'll be all following. In other news, I'm just coming off an amazing weekend of watching basketball in the city at Humber College at the NPA championships. Want to give a shout out to the people at North Pole Hoops for putting on an amazing show. Tarek Cav getting all those college coaches in the building. Joe, shout out to him, the rest of the staff that I know, Christine, Nana, y' all doing amazing job. Top notch salute. Salute to the rest of the staff that don't know by name but the behind the scenes stuff that you guys do to put on a show like that. The atmosphere at Humber College was amazing. Royal crown. Can we talk about royal crown for for a minute? The women's basketball team just made history once again. I feel like I sound like a broken record talking about what they've accomplished. They just won the OSPA championships, won the NPA championships and the grind session back to back. Still the only Canadian team to ever win the grind session. And they did it again. What Leanne Ose, Patrick Shaw and company have done there doesn't get talked about enough sadly. So I wanted to pause for a minute, give them their flowers because Royal Crown and what they're doing is historic and needs to be talked about more. Shout out to them. The final game of the NPA championship between King Heights Ridley College. I was there for that. A lot of the city pulled up for that whole downtown pulled up to watch Yusuf Ahmed King Heights. I don't. I didn't think really college had fans but they pulled up with drums, trumpets. So like I was like what's going on here? This is what you guys got going on in St. Catharines. But shout out to King Heights. What a run from a program in the first year in the npa making it all the way to the finals. Beating top teams like Edge out of Alberta. Royal Crown. And I got to give a shout out to my guy Hashi, an assistant coach at King Heights. He told me they would get here. I didn't believe. Salute to him and the rest of the staff. Nothing to be disappointed about. You guys ran into a well oiled Ridley team. Praise Beo. Can we talk about him? A 16 year old star in the making. Literally felt like that was his coming out performance as a player. Excited to watch his development. Someone was telling me that might be the greatest 10th grader we've seen in Canada in some time. Insane performance from Praise but really got it done. Victor Rasso gotta be in my eyes one of the best coaches in Canada. I gotta give this man his flowers. He's won I believe twice as a head coach in the CBL with the Niagara River Lions. If he's not coaching with Canada basketball soon, someone's got to see me. The way he had his guys playing was really impressive. The buy in the chemistry from Ridley is what made them so dominant. And there's not a player I think most would see on that Ridley team that is a certified D1 guy. But they were able to get it done in the npa. So salute to razzle. Amazing job. Nike Hoops Summit rosters just came out. Three Canadians have been selected to represent the world team Mal Saller who's committed to West Virginia. Savvy Swords who's Headed to Kentucky, playing at Long Island Lutheran. Emilia Kristovitsky, who will be headed to Oregon playing at Sierra Cannon. I hope to see her play. I think she was just at Canada Basketball's U18 selection camp and I was watching the scrimmage a bit. I think she got hurt early, had to be helped off the court, didn't look good. So hoping everything's all right but Shout out to Canada Basketball for streaming these selection camps. A lot of people have asked me about these training camps and now they're letting people into what goes into the national team selection process. I love it. No notes for me. Thank you to whoever came up with the idea. My guy Muad at Canada Basketball. Let me know. I know you also put a lot of work probably in helping that happen and giving us an inside look. So shout out to them. Savvy Swords. Everyone knows Sila. I mentioned she's going to be playing at the Hoop Summit. She's been dealing with injuries I think over the last few years, so it'll be good to see how she's, how she's progressed as a player. Miles Saller, I mentioned him at the top. So Canadian on the men's side, he's coming off a Nike EYBL Scholastic Championship. Named MVP of the league Tournament mvp. Will look to win a Chipotle national title. Still insane. He's not a McDonald's all American. I'll keep saying it, but will be a great opportunity for him to be in front of every NBA scout executive. Pretty stacked team for the world, to be honest. I'm excited to watch a lot of those players. I'll be heading out to the Nike hoop summit on April 6th and we'll be there all week doing some coverage. So stay tuned for that. This will be my fifth straight year going out to Portland for it. A staple for me. Just a great place to get to know the Next Wave talent. Now let's talk about the All Canadian games and players I'm excited to get to watch in person. On the woman's side, Jordan Wheeler at a Niagara prep. Probably the name I haven't watched. Big name, committed to Stanford, Played at the FIBA U17 World cup in 2024 for Canada in Mexico. Was one of the top scorers where Canada won silver. Best ever finish. Excited to watch her. Shantae Murray from Crestwood. She's committed to West Virginia, formerly I believe committed to Rutgers before recent coaching change. Excited to watch her. Heard a lot of stuff about her from Crestwood. Milia so out of Fort Re. I've watched her quite a bit. Probably the best scorer right now in Canada. Really excited to watch them. Amelia, Savvy I just mentioned them. I don't know if they'll be playing in the All Canadian game, especially since they'll be playing at the Nikub Summit. Some players don't really do that. Like I said, I don't know if Miles is going to be playing. Who knows. But those are the players on the women's side I'm excited to see. I don't obviously get to watch a lot of what on the women's side, the players that come out. But this will be my chance to get a close eye on them. So excited for that. On the men's side before I even get into the players, I hope the game is actually competitive. I've said this before. Last year's game was a complete embarrassment in my eyes to Canadian basketball. I know y' all are tired. Prep schools now have y' all playing NBA length schedules. But this is your opportunity to show scouts, NBA teams that will be watching why they should follow you. Why should they track you in your development over the next few years? So please, the players on the men's side show up. Don't make this a regular All Star game. Come out and guard. I'm sorry, you're not Jokic, you're not Luka. Where you need a break. This is your chance to show the world why people should scout and track Canadian talent. I remember watching Will Riley like two years back. He treated this game like he had rent due bro, had like something to prove even though everyone knew he was the top talent. So I'm hoping someone treats it like that, comes in, slaps the floor, plays hard nose defense, you know what I'm saying? So I'm hoping y' all come with the same energy. Let's go through some of the names I'm excited for on the men's side. I'll be honest, most of the names are playing in the US and that I haven't really gotten to see much this year because the Canadian names that are playing this game I've watched quite a bit. Nice. Bakari committed to California. Haven't watched him much since maybe October when Bella Vista came to play in a game here in the city. Excited to watch Bakari play. Maxine Meyer, the big man who is committed to Duke. Duke, who just lost to UConn in epic fashion. That's where Max is going. Excited to watch him. Aziz Elijah 1, the son of you know who. Hakeem Olajuwon I haven't watched him since this past summer with Canada basketball and on the AAU scene. He's headed to Stanford. So excited to watch Aziz if he does show up for the All Canadian game. L. Robinson 2027 class. He's been picking up offers left and right. He'll be, I believe, in Canada basketball training camp too for the FIBA U18. So excited to watch Lyris. He's excited to play for Canada for the first time and yeah, following his father's footsteps. Paul Asuri, top player in the class of 2027 from Canada. I think ESPN has him top four in his class, which is huge. Might be the next sure fire NBA talent coming out of Canada. Still a long way to go for Paul, but has that upside. Jordan Charles. We had him on the pod back in. Might have been. Might have been July maybe, or was it May? I don't know when exactly it was, but I think it was after he played the FIBA U19 World Cup. Led Canada almost to an upset over USA Basketball in that very tournament. Excited to watch him. Yousef Ahmed. That's my guy. Alpi had the chip on his shoulder for a guy that was snubbed from the All Canadian game initially and now we announced it was added to the list. He needs to come ready to prove that he's one of the top guys. So I hope he does. I hope he doesn't pass the ball too much. That's what I hope. Go get yours. You know, you're a great presser. We know it. Go get yours. But yeah, it's crazy. I think it was a lot of pressure on the All Canadian Games to have him on this list. From what I heard, his people are trying to take a bus out to the All Canadian game to go watch him play. So expect a lot of people from the downtown area coming out to watch. Miles Salah. Like I said, another top name. I don't know if he'll be playing. I don't think he'll be playing if you ask me. But we'll see. We'll see if he's there. Other names. I'm. I'm just excited to see who rises to the top. There's always a name that shocks you that ends up taking this game really seriously and ends up getting MVP. But yeah, April 3rd to April 5th is the all Canadian Games. I'm excited about it, even though I think everyone has heard us not complain. I don't think that's the right word, but bring suggestions to how to fix this election process. It's an amazing showcase. It's one of the staples. It's something that I mark on the calendar. I think a lot of people do when it comes to Canadian basketball. So I want to shout out the people that organize it, the people at Orangeville Prep. Gus, I know the hard work that goes into it and you can't please everybody, but I'm just happy we're having that dialogue. And the last thing I want to request, bring it back to U of T. I'm about to travel all the way to Mono, Ontario. Really? To go watch basketball like we got U of T. Come on. That's the. To me, that is the best. That is the best basketball court in the city outside of Scotiabank arena by far in terms of playing like that is the best court. But the girls game is at 1pm and the boys game is at 4:30pm April 5. Go get your tickets. We'll be there. We'll take a quick break. I'll have Keyshawn to get his insights on being a three time All Canadian and then we'll jump into some trivia. This is the Canadian Basketball Show. I'm your host, Lee Ben Osman. Welcome back to the Canadian Basketball Show. I'm joined by a guy that played insta A basketball at the D1 level at Toledo. Portland State was a three time. Yeah, bow steal. All Canadian. Now it's quench. Quench. [00:15:31] Speaker A: Right. [00:15:32] Speaker B: Grew up and played with some of the biggest stars we see on our TV screens. NBA stars we all watch. Recently he also gave his real. I feel like for a while you've been doing this. Unfiltered thoughts on the state of Canadian high school basketball, the state of just basketball in general in this country. Helping. I feel like trying to educate the next generation. Keyshawn Saunders, my brother. [00:16:00] Speaker A: How you doing? Chilling, man. How are you? [00:16:01] Speaker B: Good, good, good. I wanted to have you on, obviously just like ahead of the All Canadian game because you took to Instagram if no one saw your video. I feel like most did that. Listen to this podcast, go check it out. You called the game a joke. I'll be honest, I felt that way a bit about a month ago, you know. But you played in the game three times, right? So for me, I think of like, who has a better opinion than someone that was in the game, that went through the whole process, played high school basketball, went through the system, lived this reality that a lot of kids chase, want to be named and all Canadian. It's this thing that's. I want to say glorified, but. [00:16:44] Speaker A: Right. [00:16:45] Speaker B: It's an aspiration. Yeah, it's a bulletin. What led to that video. And yeah, just calling the All Canadian game of Joe, because I'm guessing too, you know how much it means for Canadian basketball. Like, you don't mean. You just meant like the state of word it is. Tell me about what led to that video. [00:17:03] Speaker A: I think it, like you said, it goes right back to my direct experience. The first time I was selected to be an All Canadian. I was 15, 15, 16. And it was with the likes of a lot of talented players. And even at that time, even though I did get selected over a lot of people who could have or should have got selected within their regard. I'm a kid. I'm not going to sit there and not take the opportunity if it's presented to me. But I was still conscious enough to understand what a lot of these people were missing out on. Um, and that followed into the. Not into my next season because I had missed that year. I think that was 2016, 2017 and 2018. I went back to back. I was all Canadian. So as far as the process of it, personally speaking, I was just always around my best friends and my best friends just so happened to be very good at basketball. So for me, I looked at it as a place to see all my friends. We're all coming back from school, we're going to spend time together for a weekend and then we're going to go our separate ways. [00:18:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:18:12] Speaker A: So I feel like, to answer your question, understanding the inconsistencies in how that game is portrayed versus our competitors, for example, Jordan Brand Classic, McDonald's All American. These are games that feature seniors that are exiting high school and getting ready to go to college. And for me, I feel like it's not justified. I don't think it's justified in any way, shape or form. Like, I don't really understand what other angle we're trying to go for. [00:18:47] Speaker B: You think it should be senior game? [00:18:48] Speaker A: It should just be a senior game where you highlight like the best players in the senior class. And then to that regard, it's not like there's not enough talent at the senior level level. [00:18:57] Speaker B: I agree. [00:18:57] Speaker A: There's guys that are killing, that don't get the opportunity for whatever reason, they're not getting that opportunity for. And that's what I think is the joke about it. [00:19:05] Speaker B: Yeah, people get mad about it every year. I felt like this year was different. Shout out to Yusuf Amit. He's now an All Canadian. They added him after. After the uproar. After the uproar what were your thoughts on that? [00:19:18] Speaker A: Honestly, I don't know why it took this long for it to be this much of an uproar. Maybe it was because of how much undeniable talent that there was. Daniel Simon didn't get selected. David Body doesn't get selected. Jano Walks doesn't get selected. So I feel like there was enough, there was enough cultural impact and damage that, that, that caused to the community for people to want to have something to say. But again, this is not something that is a new phenomenon or something like that. Like they snubbed Delano Banton. They. They snubbed Shade, they snubbed Nikhil. So it's not like this is, this is a new thing where mans are just out of the woodworks. [00:19:56] Speaker B: Getting snubbed for Delano Bantam was crazy because I talked to Delano about that. He's like, I was a last minute addition because. [00:20:01] Speaker A: Last minute edition. Yeah. [00:20:03] Speaker B: Which is crazy because that guy ends up like Bobby Webster. The Raptors front office come and watch that game and then they're like, okay, we'll keep going with that kid. And a few years later, history. He's drafted by the Raptors. [00:20:14] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:20:15] Speaker B: Which is kind of crazy. That's why I'm like, I get people like myself, like you. We have our frustrations about it, but then I think both of us will agree, like it's such a huge platform too. [00:20:26] Speaker A: It is, right? [00:20:28] Speaker B: What was that feeling like for you when you got selected? [00:20:32] Speaker A: Nerve wracking. But it was also a sense of like gratitude. Think it was just a byproduct of the work that I put in, you know. And now that I come back and I spend time on the other side of basketball and I see kids from a more generic viewpoint instead of just in the tunnel of what my perspective was based on my environment and surroundings. A lot of kids do not put in work like that. So for me to be able to be on a stage where I had the opportunity, let alone to be in those spaces, like I felt it was a lot of pride that I had behind that. [00:21:04] Speaker B: Honestly talked about kids not putting the work. I feel like we're gonna get into a discussion with prep schools and the dream of all that kind of stuff. It's booming. It's taken over. Yeah, it's taken over high school basketball. Gone are the days of Eastern Oakwood. Those schools talking about the all Canadian stuff. Keeping on that. I had the suggestion, a public vote where people see who votes for who. What are your thoughts on that? [00:21:31] Speaker A: Is it too like, it's too much. [00:21:33] Speaker B: It's too much because I'm thinking of it like in the NBA when the media vote for who's the mvp, right. There's a. They find out who, who voted for who. It's broken down. This is what, who selected what and it's revealed to the public. [00:21:47] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:21:48] Speaker B: So I'm thinking of it. Why aren't we just honest with our votes? What's the criteria? What's the committee looking at? And then if you're bold enough to be on a committee like this, you should be able to be like, this is my 24. [00:22:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:22:03] Speaker B: This is like, you know, like. So what are your thoughts on that? [00:22:07] Speaker A: I also want to know what the criteria is as far as who are they selecting and why they're selecting those players for that game. Genuinely, I want to know. [00:22:18] Speaker B: The scouts that I spoke to, they do a mix of like production potential. [00:22:23] Speaker A: Right. [00:22:24] Speaker B: But then I can't speak for the rest 35 other people on the community that I don't speak to, but the scouts, I feel like that are in the gym. That's their process. Right. [00:22:34] Speaker A: But what do you think is missing consistency? Honestly, I think it's just inconsistent in terms of, again, who you're selecting. If we're here arguing over 24 seniors, we can do that day in and day out. There's only 24 spots for you to pick from. So somebody's going to get snubbed that we may feel or doesn't feel like they deserve that spot. I would not have a problem arguing over 24 seniors, but when you're taking away a kid's opportunity and experience and opportunity to be exposed to higher levels of playing and exposure and all that kind of stuff, that's where I feel like there's a disconnect. I don't feel like somebody who's 16 with a high ass ceiling deserves to be over somebody averaging 44 points in high school basketball. What are we talking about? No matter what the level it is that you're trying to say that he plays at or whatever it is, David Bottomley averages 44 points. Like, and they did this to a two. They did this to Ahmed Ali. It's. And it's the same thing. I feel like in terms of community impact versus direct production, nobody could have told Ahmed what he was doing wasn't overly productive or outstanding in whatever regard. [00:23:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:47] Speaker A: But because of whatever their criteria was, maybe they felt like he didn't have a high ceiling, if that's what you're going to say. Right. Like maybe they Felt like AMA didn't have a high ceiling. They may have the same kind of argument with David, but to me it's just, bro, get the best players or at least get the best seniors to your subjection. [00:24:06] Speaker B: And you talk about it too. Like impact, comedian impact. Like bottomly would have had how many people pull up. Same thing. When Yousef wasn't selected originally, it was [00:24:16] Speaker A: like it was an uproar. [00:24:17] Speaker B: Uproar. Cuz like the amount of seats he's gonna pack just off of him playing and what it means for people like him from Moss Park. [00:24:25] Speaker A: Right. [00:24:25] Speaker B: When was the last time we seen a downtown kid? That's why I keep saying like a downtown kid. I don't know, like Mike Cabongo in those, those days. Like it's, it's very rare that we see like even like an inner city kid. Right. Very tough. Delano Banton. Like it's very hard to see those guys get it out the mud. [00:24:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:24:42] Speaker B: And get it. And then he was also kind of, kind of also like a late bloomer. Right. Where it's like if you, you weren't watching, you didn't realize. [00:24:50] Speaker A: But we saw it. We saw it today though, in terms of impact for both of them at the npa. At the npa, everybody was there for Yousef. Me and you were both there. I stayed for the game against Royal Crown. The kid had 20 and 1/2. [00:25:01] Speaker B: Yeah. Like against one of the top teams. [00:25:03] Speaker A: One of the top teams in the country. So like to me, I just think certain things are undeniable. [00:25:09] Speaker B: Yeah. Do you feel like there's enough talent evaluators? Because that's when. When I talked to scouts when they. And they came on the show and they talked about, oh, this is the issue. It's like the committee's too large. But then also they want to make everyone feel included. Right. Region to region. Like it's the all Canadian. [00:25:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:25:25] Speaker B: Sadly, I would say like most guys that are in the league are from Ontario and Quebec. Let's be real, you know, like, let's just be real. Maybe BC has one or two. Yeah. But most guys are from Ontario, Quebec. [00:25:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:25:37] Speaker B: So like people getting mad that, hey, I've been, I've been trashing on PEI. I'm sorry. But people mad. That is not a PI representative. [00:25:45] Speaker A: 100%. [00:25:46] Speaker B: Like, I'm sorry, this is not going to make or break. Who is the one guy from Nova Scotia? Lindell. [00:25:52] Speaker A: Lindell Wigginton. [00:25:52] Speaker B: He might be the only one. [00:25:53] Speaker A: Anomaly. [00:25:54] Speaker B: Anomaly, right. Like we're talking about. But they saw the talent and he was part of it, I'm guessing too. I remember. Right. So like the scouts will see that. That's my whole point too. But what are your thoughts on like the lack of scouting talent evaluators in Canada? Because there's only a few from my. But I also think I'm like, yo, I can get from people that I know that watch Canadian basketball. I feel like I can get 10 scouts in a room, put them there, let them hash it and they come up with 24 people. But then there's 38 people on committee that don't watch these games. [00:26:25] Speaker A: Yeah. Facts. I feel like so, so, so biased. So even if you get 10 mans to come in, recruiter, 10 mans to come and scout or whatever the case is, what are you scouting and why are you scouting it? So it's like how I see it. And I'm just calling it spade a spade cuz I don't care to be involved in none of this stuff. I feel like even if you do get 10 scouts in Canada to come and recruit these kids or whatever, they're going to pick the kids that they feel is going to best benefit their personal situation instead of what's objectively and subjectively right for the betterment of the kids and or their development or their just general exposure for Canadian basketball. I feel like there's a lot of scouts that we do know or we don't know that are out here evaluating these kids. But it just goes back down to what's your intent and then what's your direct experience when it either comes to scouting or playing yourself. [00:27:16] Speaker B: Yeah. And you talked about it. Would you ever want to be on the committee? Why or why not? [00:27:22] Speaker A: No, I think, I think I'm just too strong minded. Honestly. If I'm just being a book with you, like I think I have, I have beliefs that are extremely contrasting to an infrastructure that these guys have taken a lot of time to build. And I don't want to come into a space and come off as disrespectful to something that they put a lot of time and effort to. And then on top of that, it's like I'd rather build something of my own, you know? So I feel like including myself in that would kind of just kind in a way be counterproductive in the sense of my moral standpoint and where I feel like I add an impact and value. [00:28:01] Speaker B: Yeah. Just like you went to Orangeville. [00:28:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:04] Speaker B: Guys like Jamal Murray. [00:28:07] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:08] Speaker B: Thon Maker, Ignis Brazil, o' Shea Brissette, Lou Dorr. [00:28:13] Speaker A: Forgetting Guys, Junior Farquhar, James Carnick, Aaron Ray, Jalen Llewellyn. Yeah, I'm trying to shout out my guys right quick. Alonzo Walker, Josiah Riley, Kyle Alexander, Khalif Young, Dante St. Louis. Yeah, bro. Shout out my guys. Shout out Coach Nate, shout out Coach Jonas. Shout out Coach Keenan. Shout out all my guys, bro. [00:28:35] Speaker B: Do you know, do you feel like the talent that you saw at Orangeville, the start of like prep schools during that time? [00:28:42] Speaker A: Right. [00:28:43] Speaker B: Do you feel like the talent is comparable to where it is now? [00:28:48] Speaker A: It's, it's hard to say because it's a completely different system. So if I was to grab maybe the 10, the 10 premiere to the most objective stance, like the 10 best teams in a country, maybe, maybe. Right. But we're, There's Trillium, there's osba, there's npa, there's all these other leagues, like a hundred teams that are, that are self proclaimed prep programs. [00:29:17] Speaker B: What are your thoughts on that? [00:29:19] Speaker A: Bogus. Yeah, I was about to swear, but it's bogus. Like, you know, it's just, I feel like everybody's at a disservice now. The kids that aren't at that level aren't being in a place where they're talent or development is actually in fair judgment. And this is the problem that I had when I came back and I was coaching. You can have a whole bunch of kids that aren't that good at basketball, but if you put them in a, in a gym, you lock them in a gym for however long they're due to get better at basketball. But if the kid's five'3,125, what are you going to do when he has to go play against Isaiah Hamilton? [00:29:53] Speaker B: Good luck. [00:29:53] Speaker A: What are you going to do? So it's like those kids aren't being put in positions to where they can actually evaluate and then feel comfortable and confident within their development. Then on the flip side, you have Isaiah Hamilton. One game he might go against Royal Crown. Next game he might go up against Connor from Stoney Creek, like, what are we doing? And he's not going to get anything out of that either because there's habits and things that you need to work on as a player that you're not going to get in the state of comfortability. [00:30:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:19] Speaker A: So I feel like just with the saturation as a, as a country, everybody is very inclusive and they want to add people to the community. And in that regard, I do think Canada basketball is growing because a lot of people are now submerging themselves into these Communities and in these environments for them to be playing, but in the sense of, like you said, talent, production. Name. Name five mans that made the league after 2020. Go ahead. [00:30:48] Speaker B: Oh, it's tough. [00:30:49] Speaker A: From Ontario. [00:30:49] Speaker B: From Ontario. [00:30:50] Speaker A: From Ontario at that. [00:30:51] Speaker B: I'm just thinking like Leonard Miller. It's tough. [00:30:55] Speaker A: Shane Sharp. [00:30:56] Speaker B: Shane Sharp, Will Riley. But I don't know if these guys played. I don't know if they played osp. Yeah, they probably played OSPA when they were very young. But that's the thing. Not like the only person that played ospa, like we're talking about OSPA regular season in their final year, last two years. Leonard Miller. That's the only person. Other guys left, right, Will Riley, left, Winter St. Sharp left. Most guys leave. What are your thoughts on that too? Just in terms of. Do you feel like the talent you talked about, like Hamilton could go from playing one team to go from playing a completely team that doesn't probably deserve to be on the floor? Why is that? Is it just like parents, people around [00:31:43] Speaker A: just starting a prep school saying, like, I think within. There's a lot of places in the States where like you can go to like Word of God, for example, which is a public school in North Carolina. You can go there and play on a national schedule, but within that you're still going to have your little league games where you're playing the Zachs and the Connors or whatever. My thing is, is like, when you go to the States, they have a level of infrastructure and organization that prepares those kids on a holistic level to be ready for the next level. [00:32:12] Speaker B: You don't think that's here? [00:32:13] Speaker A: No, I don't think that's here. You go and watch a John Wall mixtape. He's playing against. He's playing against, mind you. Yeah, but he's over there killing, man. You could tell he's over there trying to take everything that they've, that they've ever worked for up until that point. We don't enforce that over here. These guys aren't training these kids or developing these kids to necessarily be like killers or, you know, just dogs or whatever the case is. A lot of these guys are just focused on skill and then X's and O's. [00:32:43] Speaker B: That's a good point because, like, I'm thinking of like guys that have made a living being a dot. Dylan. That's like his whole Persona, right? Lou Dort, like, that's, that's what gets people paid. Why do you think that's gone away? [00:32:54] Speaker A: I feel like because everything feels more accessible Now, I don't think Lou felt like when he was in high school, there was much options, like he could have exerted out of Canada. Now everybody's painting that dream to where it's like, yo, come to my school. I promise you're going to get a D1. That's what these guys are saying, like, come to my school, you're gonna get a D1. You're gonna come to school, get exposure. I feel like that's really what it is for. [00:33:19] Speaker B: Yeah. Your era of high school basketball, where would you rank it? A lot of guys came out high school basketball. High school basketball. [00:33:28] Speaker A: That's a tough conversation for me to have because I was kind of the bridge between high school entering the prep scene. [00:33:35] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:33:36] Speaker A: So if we're just talking about a talent level, though, maybe top three. Yeah, I'll go top three. I don't want to be too. Too naive, too ignorant. [00:33:45] Speaker B: Yeah. Because it's the Corey Joseph. [00:33:46] Speaker A: The Corey Joseph era. The denim brown era. [00:33:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:49] Speaker A: Then the Tyndall era. [00:33:50] Speaker B: Yeah. But I feel like your era is very like. I don't want to blame Orangeville for the prep school, like, well, but in a. [00:33:57] Speaker A: In a way you can calling a spade to spade. Because even though it probably wasn't their intention, of course, to do that, it obviously wasn't, but. But they. They showed me as the blueprint early. [00:34:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:34:09] Speaker A: And then as soon as they saw that, everyone else started running with it. [00:34:12] Speaker B: Yeah. You talk about it like, I think you made a video too, a prep school, calling it a finesse scam. [00:34:17] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:18] Speaker B: What led to that video? Did you even, like, when you were playing, did you pay at all to go to. [00:34:23] Speaker A: I never paid, fam. I never paid, bro. [00:34:25] Speaker B: That's kind of crazy to think because it's like now the amount you hear kids playing just to sit and raw on the bench say, and. [00:34:34] Speaker A: And. Okay, here's my thing. I say it's a finesse because of what I stated earlier. Mans are telling you to come, pay a fee to go on the go to the school, and then you're promised exposure. I don't agree with that. Now, even though I think there's a disconnect as far as the development, A lot of these places have facilities and. Or the resources and tools to give your kids the adequate physical development they need to become a decent basketball player. Now, if you're telling your kid or telling a parent, come pay 10 racks to come to my school, learn how to be an athlete, develop, be a good student, etc. All right, I'll agree with That I can hear that if the kid wants to pay that price, that's up to them. But don't make a school for the sake of you feeling like you're, I don't know, Rich Paul or some. And then promising all these kids a whole bunch of broken dreams, saying you're going to get these kids to a level that's realistically not realistic at all. [00:35:32] Speaker B: How often do that conversations happen where it's like these promised dreams nowadays? [00:35:37] Speaker A: I mean, I train kids now, so I've. I've heard enough. I've heard enough conversations through the people that I've. That I work with and stuff like that for me to understand. It's a constant thing. [00:35:46] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:35:47] Speaker A: And then even if they don't have that conversation, a lot of people have these thoughts preconceived in their mind going into it. Like, yo, because I'm going to a prep school, that's what it's gonna be. [00:35:57] Speaker B: Yeah. Do you feel like people shouldn't have to pay at all because the top players aren't paying? Let's be real. [00:36:02] Speaker A: I mean, I think due to what the demographic of it is now. Yeah. Like, go ahead. Like, you might have to bite that bullet, but it's just, what are you paying for? Like, are you gonna make your money's worth? So if you suck, I would never tell the kids to pay for. No. Like, if you suck, don't go to no prep school. I promise you. [00:36:19] Speaker B: Don't. [00:36:20] Speaker A: Don't go to no prep school if you're not averaging 20 or something, or 30 in the CYBL. Or if you're not averaging 40 at your regular local high school. Do not waste your bread. [00:36:29] Speaker B: So that's the path. Do it at your local high school first. That's what. [00:36:33] Speaker A: Kill whatever. Kill whatever level you're killing at to the point where somebody's reaching out to you to at least negotiate whatever it is that they got to negotiate. But if you're over there reaching your handle, asking people for an opportunity, I don't think it's going to end up. End up well in your face. [00:36:48] Speaker B: We talked about the number of prep schools. So many. Do you feel like it's still about. Because there's programs, there's schools that I feel like are doing it right. [00:36:56] Speaker A: I do too. [00:36:57] Speaker B: The notable ones. [00:36:58] Speaker A: Right. I do too. [00:36:59] Speaker B: But do you feel like for the large majority, is this still about development or is this more so we gotta cross our T's? We gotta cross the check? Like, it's a business model now? [00:37:09] Speaker A: It's definitely a business Model. But I'll say that, to say this though, basketball is a business. So like that's just something that you're going to have to deal with. Regard, like no matter what it is, even if I'm a player, like when I went to Toledo, it was a business. They said, yo, you're good, but we have a future NBA player coming here. Ryan Rollins. Foden. What are you going to do? Yeah, Ryan Rollins, bro, shut up. Yeah, hug that. So it's like at the same time you have to understand that there's certain bullets that you have to bite. The thing is, is like if you're going to do business, at least do something halfway ethical within your business. There's too many people that are sacrificing their whole livelihoods, their jobs, their assets, a whole bunch of other stuff for the sake of their children. And I don't think that they deserve that. [00:37:52] Speaker B: Was there a moment where you thought it was like, damn, this is getting out of control because you obviously went to go play D1 basketball. [00:37:59] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:37:59] Speaker B: Came back. I'm guessing you're like, oh my God, what happened to like, was that the reality for you coming back or was it like, oh, I think some, some places are doing it right. But like what was your mindset coming back? [00:38:13] Speaker A: I came back, bro. I'm not going to say I just came back. I started coaching. Yeah, I heard the prices man's were paying. [00:38:20] Speaker B: What? Give some ranges for people that don't know. [00:38:26] Speaker A: I think on average you're going to see like this is for just generically. I think on average you're going to see anywhere between maybe three bands to 10 bands on average. So 3,000 to 3,000 to 10,000 on average. Numbers I'm hearing. [00:38:38] Speaker B: Yeah, down payments, curl down payments. [00:38:41] Speaker A: Down payments like mortgage, 20s, 30s, 40s, [00:38:45] Speaker B: 50s, just attend the school one year. Might as well go to private school at that point. [00:38:50] Speaker A: And this is exactly what I said. First of all, if you have this much money to go to, if you have this much money to invest into your kid, I hope parents are watch, are going to watch this, bro. Get you a trainer, get a nutritionist, get a physical trainer, get a tutor, you could do a whole bunch of things with $10,000, $20,000 that's going to last your kid a long term development plan instead of you paying for 10 months of a school year. First of all, most of these guys aren't even giving your kids a real school system. So they're not going to prepare your kids to go to university. That's a Lot of these kids problems right now. They're not even academically eligible. And then on top of that, you might have the resources, but these guys don't know how to use their tools. And then yeah, like I said, bro, it's either that or go to a private school. Saint Andrews College is blessed, surrounded that Saint Mike's is blessed. We talking about. These guys all have sports programs, they have fall, they all have a Mike [00:39:42] Speaker B: used to be the, be the top program. [00:39:43] Speaker A: What are we talking about, bro? St. Mike's is still a good program to this day as we speak right now. [00:39:48] Speaker B: Is there a reasonable price that you're like, if a kid came to you was like, hey, they're telling me to pay this. [00:39:54] Speaker A: I mean, look at, I'll look at the kid and say like, how good are you for you to be negotiating your, your, your thing right now? It's at a point of leverage. If I'm averaging 30 and I know Con over there averaged 5 and he's paying 10 bands, you better up me 5 is what I'm is what I'm saying hypothetically, like, give me a better price to play with is how I feel. But I don't think that like there's not really any way of getting around like the no payment thing unless you have some kind of backend to support the kid at this point. [00:40:24] Speaker B: What can we do to stop it? Like, because this is like taking over prep school. So many kids are just falling families, parents falling victims to this, right? What can people do so they don't pay 60,000 to go raw on the bench and then realize what did I just pay? [00:40:44] Speaker A: I think, I think you parents need to understand and do a lot more research before you put yourself and your kids in these situations and then having resentment towards the people that are running these systems and infrastructures. Because if I'm being completely objective and logical, if I could do it, I [00:41:01] Speaker B: would do it to free finesse. [00:41:04] Speaker A: I'll be free finesse. Why would I not do it? [00:41:05] Speaker B: I'm not a scammer. [00:41:06] Speaker A: But no, but I'm saying though, like, if you can run a system that sells and it's going to make you money, why would you not run that system at that point? It's your point. It's, it's your responsibility as the consumer or a customer to do your research and, and put yourself in the best possible position. And then on top of it, it's like, yo, be more humble. Like a lot of these people or these parents feel like their kid is the best thing since can like, since can paint fam. [00:41:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:41:30] Speaker A: And it gets a lot of people in situations that they're vulnerable in. So I feel like the sooner you're. You're self educated and research and then you have a sense of humility behind the whole thing of basketball in a general sense, then I feel like that's like the first step, honestly. But as far as kids not paying no more, I don't think it's no getting around that still. [00:41:55] Speaker B: That leads to my next question. Like, is there like, I haven't heard of a kid, like, is there a viable path to not go prep school to get D1? Because like, coaches are not, let's be. Coaches are not watching officers. [00:42:07] Speaker A: No, they're not watching no officers. [00:42:09] Speaker B: So, like, what's like, is there a viable path without going to prep school? [00:42:13] Speaker A: Maybe if you're on a good AAU circuit, maybe. And you're. And you're killing on that AAU circuit to the point where you can just say, I just want to go to my school or whatever. But I think even just the path to D1 in itself is just about obviously not. Besides how good you are is like, who you know and like who your camp is and your supporting cast is behind you. [00:42:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:42:33] Speaker A: If you have the right people advocating for you and vouching for you, I think you might could have a chance. But there's also not any blueprint or right or wrong way to go. D1. [00:42:44] Speaker B: Yeah. What was the AAU teams you were playing on? [00:42:46] Speaker A: I played for M4RKim. Gators. Shout out my Markham Gators. Guys, yo. Shout out my coaches. Shout out AJ Shout out Bibby. Shout out Vi. Shout out Denzel. And then I played for a CIA bounce. So Shout out Mike George. Shout out Coach Tony. [00:43:02] Speaker B: Who's on those teams? [00:43:03] Speaker A: Which one? Bounce. Bounce 17s. It was me. Joel Brown, Jr. Farquhar Simi. Shitu. Ignis Brasdicus. Quincy Gurrier. Yeah. [00:43:17] Speaker B: What was that like? That much talent when you're thinking back [00:43:19] Speaker A: now, those are my guys. [00:43:21] Speaker B: I don't think, like, I don't think an A team has that much talent. [00:43:24] Speaker A: I don't know. Canada Elite's Canada Elite was close last summer. [00:43:28] Speaker B: Canada Elite was close, but Kenyon, Isaiah Hamilton, Isaiah Clark. [00:43:33] Speaker A: Yeah. But I don't know. Like, honestly, I didn't realize how crazy that kind of stuff was until, like, I stopped playing because my whole basketball experience was just around that caliber of talent. So for me, that it was second nature, fam. Like, all right, I've known you guys since I was six years old. Seven years old. All right, bro, this is gold. [00:43:56] Speaker B: Like, was there somebody that you. You play with that you're like, wow, this brother is different. I could tell there's something he's going to leak. [00:44:04] Speaker A: Everyone I've named, everyone I've named that, like, has showed me those kind of moments. But Jamal. [00:44:10] Speaker B: Jamal Murray. [00:44:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:44:11] Speaker B: Jamal is different from what was different about him. [00:44:13] Speaker A: His approach, his mentality, and his. His. His is his mindset behind the things that he was doing and, like, just that. Just how consistent he was, like, with that mindset. [00:44:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:44:27] Speaker A: Like, talent is one thing, but to have the mental approach and the discipline and. And the resilience to stay at it seven days a week, like, yeah. Nah. [00:44:37] Speaker B: Yeah. The stories you hear about his pops and what they would do, it's different, fam. [00:44:40] Speaker A: Stories. I don't even want to get into those. Yeah, Jamal's crazy, though. Yeah, Jamal was crazy. Ignis was another one that was crazy to me. Ryan Rollins was a crazy one. That was. That was for me. And then there was a bunch of guys that I played against who. Where I was like, yeah, fam. [00:45:01] Speaker B: Like, who? [00:45:04] Speaker A: I'm try. I'm trying to go in, like, a little bit of an order. It was Miles Bridges, Josh Jackson, Malik Newman. Malik. Malik Newman. Still till. Still to this day, one of the craziest, you know, if you know. You know about Malik Newman, bro. Like, nightmares. Isaiah Briscoe, Jalen Brown. And then I was getting older. Antonio Blakeney, Billy Preston, Trey Duvall. [00:45:29] Speaker B: Trey Duvall's tough. [00:45:30] Speaker A: And towards my senior years, those guys like Cam Reddish, Darius Garland, Cole Anthony, Jalen, Suggs, Bobo. And the list is long, fam. But it's like, there was so many guys that showed me from a young age, because as much as I'm saying this, these are guys I was seeing throughout my stages of development. So I was always able to see first hand or first person comparisons as far as how good I was versus where I wanted to get. So it's like seeing those guys from a young age is always just like, it's different, fam. Just, you know, and it wasn't a skill thing, because skill to skill, you put the ball in the court, you tell someone to go do a drill. Anybody. Anybody could do anything. It was like their mental approach to it and how they attack the game. [00:46:17] Speaker B: Yeah. What's something you get to D1. What's something that shocked you? That was like, I didn't expect this. [00:46:23] Speaker A: Mads are nice, fam. Yeah, man. Is it just sick? [00:46:26] Speaker B: Was the level just different? [00:46:27] Speaker A: Mans are Just sick, bro. Like people you don't know just come out the woodworks, give you some business, you know what I'm saying? And it was like, who's there played at, bro? Eugene German. Yeah, Eugene German. Insane score, fam. Ryan Rollins. Never heard of him before. And then even when I was hearing about him before he came on the visit, I'll tell you a true story. Mazar saying Ryan Rollins is coming on the visit. And I was starting at a time for all freshmen of the conference or whatever. 19 wins in the season. I'm thinking, I'm feeling myself. Oh, Ryan Rollins is coming. [00:47:00] Speaker B: Like, this is. Hey, my backup. [00:47:02] Speaker A: Who's this guy? Yeah. What? Went home. Went home for the summer. No, I lied before I went home for the summer. He comes on a visit, and I'm hosting him on the visit now, so get by. I'm not even. No, it's blessed. [00:47:15] Speaker B: I would have told you a check in, man. [00:47:16] Speaker A: You. I'm just checking his temperature, you know what I'm saying? We're on the visit. Whatever. And then it just got to the point where I was like, yo, I'm seeing this guy's food, so I'm trying to do it. I give it to my homie. Yeah, yo, take care of him for the visit. So after this, we. We have pickup. And usually what. What guys do sometimes, at least at the mid major level, to my knowledge, they'll let the guys play pickup with the team or whatever within the first three plays. Found man's driving on the middle. Punch catching the pulse. Fade. Yeah, Driving down the middle. Lay. You're like, yeah, all right, bro, you got it. [00:47:50] Speaker B: Bless. [00:47:50] Speaker A: It's blessed, man. Let's come here, work together, try to win some games, bro. You know what I'm saying? But like, guys at the cause level, you could just wake up any other day and just see somebody go to go crazy. Like, you know, and again, I feel like this goes back down to like, the States versus Canada is on a natural day. On any given day, you're gonna find somebody that's way more ambitious, driven, and like, mentally attacking the game of basketball. Whereas here we're like, yo, me too. Yeah, why not me? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, those guys are trying to take it. And guys over here, I feel like we. We ask for it. [00:48:29] Speaker B: Yeah, so do you. When guys want to go to the States, What's. I'm guessing people reach out to you. Like, what's your advice? [00:48:36] Speaker A: Because learn how to work hard, fam. [00:48:38] Speaker B: Would you. Would you recommend leaving Canada to go play in the States. High school. [00:48:42] Speaker A: I wouldn't recommend it to a lot of these kids because I don't think these guys are ready for that kind of level of adversity and like, discipline and stuff like that. [00:48:48] Speaker B: Yeah. Because a lot of people get lost. People don't. We hear about all the success stories. Right. Guys go to States and will end up becoming, whether it's a McDonald's All American Center, Hoops Summit, they'll go play in the NBA, that kind of stuff. But there's so many kids that go to the States that we don't hear about that get lost in the system. [00:49:05] Speaker A: Yeah. And this is what you guys have to understand. This politics stuff is not going to leave. When you leave Canada, it's a. It's a continuous thing that you're going to see for the rest of your life, no matter what you do. If you play basketball, if you want to get a job, if you want to be an entrepreneur, there's going to be things that are politically going to be in your way. Like, that's not something that's going to stop. So to your point, it's like, I wouldn't tell a lot of kids to go to the States because they're so consumed within a political system that caters to Canadian basketball players, mind you. [00:49:35] Speaker B: Right. [00:49:35] Speaker A: So you're going to go to a completely foreign system where they don't care about you, they're actually against you because they think that you're in the way of what their market is. Well, my minds are not ready for that. So when people ask me, I say, yo, make sure you know how to work hard. At the very least, if you really know how to work hard, maybe you might be able to pull something out of the woodworks. Because over there, everybody works harder. They all have more tools and access and resources than you. And they're nicer than you, fam. Half the time, like. So I really don't think, or I wouldn't suggest a lot of mans to go over there. [00:50:13] Speaker B: Unless you're top of the top. [00:50:14] Speaker A: Unless you're nice. [00:50:15] Speaker B: Yeah. Top of the top. Where it's like, I've played the top talent here and I got it. I gotta face something. [00:50:22] Speaker A: Hamilton, get out of here. [00:50:24] Speaker B: You think so? [00:50:25] Speaker A: Yeah, for sure. Like a kid of that caliber would make sense for him to say, yo, I. I feel like I want to play at a level that's a bit higher than what we have going on over here. [00:50:34] Speaker B: What do you say to coaches that I've talked to a ton Say, hey, we still get the schedules. Like we, we get to play on the grand session, we get to play on these other platforms. But I also would say you kind of got to get ready for life, go live on your own. No one's with you. What do you do when no one's telling you to go to the gym? No one's right next to you telling you you need to go lock in this, that, that kind of stuff with you on a day to day basis. Is that something that you're like, my kids might need? [00:51:04] Speaker A: I think for me, I mean, I think that does play a part of it. But if we're talking about basketball so fixated on like scheduling games to play against certain people in certain programs and being on a certain platform, when again, these guys are not putting these guys in position to actually develop these guys and have them ready to play at the next level. So it's like, I'm not, I'm not going to name any school. Let's just say a regular school in Canada versus Mount Verde. Are you going to sit here and tell me that Mount Verde is going to do less or, or a worse job than of a developing a player over you? No, like that's, that's why people go there. [00:51:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:51:43] Speaker A: To develop your player to be ready for the next level. [00:51:45] Speaker B: They had what schedules are like. [00:51:47] Speaker A: The schedule is just like moi, like cherry on top, whatever. But they're going to go there, they're going to live, they're going to have a diet, they're going to be on a routine, they're going to practice, they're going to have their weight training, skills training. They're going to do all that with a way higher structural structure, level of accountability and discipline and all these other things aside of a man going to school here, you're going home. You're going to go home to your yard, play video games, talk to Bear Gal, probably bust up a party on a weekend. There's just Bear that you can do to get distracted. But then they're going to turn around and say, that kid's playing on the grind session. Who cares, fam? The kid's not getting ready. [00:52:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:52:23] Speaker A: So it's like for me, I was at Orangeville again, I'm in a dorm, fam. I'm not leaving. I'm in this, I'm in school, I'm in the weight room and I'm in the gym. After that, we're going and we're playing on those games. So for me, I felt like I was getting ready to be at the next level. Because it perfectly simulated what that life was like. [00:52:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:52:41] Speaker A: In Canada. [00:52:42] Speaker B: But that's the thing. The weight room. You talk about the diets. I don't know, I don't think you can name maybe five more than five programs that are doing that in Canada. Maybe I'm being a bit disrespectful. Like how many programs would you say are doing that? Like this whole. What, Montvert level. Sorry, stretch. But I'm saying like, you know, like the diet, weight room, get your shots up free, like access to the gym whenever you want. How many programs? [00:53:11] Speaker A: I'll use an analogy, I'll use an analogy like, like traveling. I could, I could go on my phone right now, type in Santorini, Greece and look at a video of it and tell you how mod it looks from my phone. If a man came back from Santorini, Greece, he's gonna have a completely and way more thorough description or experience of what it was that he went through when he was over there. [00:53:36] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:53:36] Speaker A: So I feel like when it comes to stuff like that, mans are looking at NBA or high level through a phone, seeing a whole bunch of masks, say some hypothetical rich to their subjection, then they try to implement it on these kids versus somebody that has lived it or has a longer period of ex of experience with doing what they do. [00:53:56] Speaker B: Yeah. You talked talk about going to the States, back to the Battle steel. Sorry, the Al game. Me too, but 15 out of 25. 15 or was it 14? Around 14. 15 guys that are selected for the game play in the States. What are your thoughts on that? Because then we're having a discussion where it's like the better bump, the better competition is in the States. [00:54:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:54:23] Speaker B: So I wasn't mad because I'm like, I want to see some of these top kids. I want to see what they look like against Canada. Do you have a problem with majority of US guys that left Canada went to the States to go play basketball playing in early? [00:54:39] Speaker A: Not necessarily. Like if you're a senior Again, if it's 24 seniors, we can argue however you want to argue because at the end of the day there are 24 exiting players. So if they just so happen to be in the States for whatever reason that they're in the States, then it's like so be it. Especially if we're in Canada and they're representing us over there and we don't get a chance to really see it up close. Right. But I don't feel like I don't think there's any much of A disconnect with that as far as like the saturation now. I didn't look into the list to see how many players are from what programs. I think that's another kind of pillar to talk about. [00:55:19] Speaker B: Yeah. Would you limit schools? Because I'll be honest. Let's be real. Bella Vista had seven guys, but that's two separate teams. And I'm looking at the roster, I'm like, I'll be honest, I probably had all those guys in. So. So I'm like, I'm not ready. [00:55:32] Speaker A: They're Damn near all D1. [00:55:33] Speaker B: All D1. They just came off a Nike EY BL championship. [00:55:38] Speaker A: Were they all seniors? [00:55:39] Speaker B: Oh no. But Paul Al Saui, I gotta see like kind of undeniable 20, 27. He's. He's considered one of the top guys coming out. Leo Robinson, another guy. [00:55:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:55:50] Speaker B: Has 20 plus college offers. Like went on a visit to Cray not too long ago. [00:55:54] Speaker A: Right. [00:55:55] Speaker B: I want to see him play. Right. So it's like I'm not mad that they had those guys in and then the other team that they had like other guys. One of the top teams in the grind session this year. So I'm like, I can't get mad at this. I'm like yo, shout out to Mike George, man. [00:56:08] Speaker A: Shout out. [00:56:09] Speaker B: What you doing over there? [00:56:10] Speaker A: You know, real talk, real talk. [00:56:11] Speaker B: So I'm like, I can't get mad at that. But then I also see the side to where it's like this is the all Canadian game. [00:56:18] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:56:18] Speaker B: People preaching that. And I'm like also I brought this point prior. I'm like, you got to go to a for year. Do you got to go to Royal Crown? Do you got to go to a Bella Vista to be an all to [00:56:30] Speaker A: be in that conversation? [00:56:31] Speaker B: Cuz that's what it seems like. Or that's what it seems like the committee is sort of banking on. Cuz a lot of these kids, I'll be honest, a lot of these kids, name brand kids grow coming up. Right. So like. And then they go to these programs, they're established. That's kind of what it is. Right? [00:56:44] Speaker A: Right. [00:56:44] Speaker B: But then you. And then you miss out on the other guys. [00:56:46] Speaker A: Right. [00:56:47] Speaker B: So I don't know. [00:56:48] Speaker A: It's a tough, it's a tough one still. [00:56:50] Speaker B: But. [00:56:50] Speaker A: But it's like again if you're. Even if you go back to the conversation of like production verse potential. Was Isaiah Hamilton not on that list either? [00:56:59] Speaker B: He should have been. [00:57:00] Speaker A: Where's the consistency if we're going to use that level of like dictatorship yeah. [00:57:06] Speaker B: Cause then now they're like, because me, if, if you're not going to make it a senior game, you're going to open up to juniors. Might as well as, like might as [00:57:12] Speaker A: well just have it as a bus up fam. [00:57:14] Speaker B: Like, might as well, might as well make it grade 9 to 12 at that point. [00:57:17] Speaker A: You might as well just make it a bus up, make it a Bengals camp or something like that. Like exact come, just go, go at each other all weekend. Now you have a larger scale of mass to pick from. [00:57:27] Speaker B: They used to do like a June, like a freshman sophomore game. I don't know what happened to that. I'm guessing a lot of resources keep it, you know, like it's a lot of money. I'm guessing at the end of the day. But yeah, I think it's a miss though. Not having Isaiah Hamilton right in a game like this. NPA is doing an all star game. He's going to be playing in that shout out to, to what they're doing over there. So yeah, I think it's a miss because it's like most guys will tell you Isaiah Hamilton is most exciting player [00:57:52] Speaker A: in the country right now. Right? Even close. [00:57:53] Speaker B: Just, I just seen the dunk he had put back. I'm like, I haven't seen a kid jump out of the gym like that. And what he did in FIBA, what he might do at the FIBA U17 World cup this summer, it's like, it's insane. [00:58:06] Speaker A: It's insane, bro. [00:58:07] Speaker B: It's insane. Last few questions before I let you go. You were in the system, played prep school basketball. Do you feel like it has hurt? Canadian basketball, prep school basketball hurt. [00:58:23] Speaker A: In what stance has it hurt more [00:58:25] Speaker B: than it's helped the next generation? [00:58:27] Speaker A: I think so. [00:58:28] Speaker B: Really? [00:58:28] Speaker A: Sure. Yes. I think it's helped because again, like a lot of people like basketball now. So a lot of people are, are now a part of the community as far as like just playing basketball. I think now why it hurts a lot of people is because in a general sense there's a, there's a lot of people that realistically don't know what they're doing and they're not doing anything that's serviceable for the kids or their families. And those guys are kind of overtaking the ones that do know what they're doing or do have genuine programs or at least high functioning systems where, you know, kids can get to the next level. So I don't think in the grand scheme of things like it's, it's preparing mass to have some Kind of like rebirth and Canadian talent, like, going to the league. Like, I don't think we're gonna have a crop of mask going to league for. For a little while. [00:59:27] Speaker B: You brought up the point too, earlier. Like, Leonard, there hasn't been like, many guys playing in the OSPA that have gone to the league. Why do you think that is? Because we have. [00:59:36] Speaker A: Because of what I said, though, because it's so saturated and now you're not at a place where the best talent is complete. Consistently playing against the best talent. Mind you, Top Heinz and Rural Crown play today for the first time, which is crazy. And they're both in two different. Two different leagues together. [00:59:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:59:52] Speaker A: So because of that, it's like, how much better is David going to get up until the point of them playing World Crown? How much more dynamic of a defender is Kymani Walters going to become up until that point because he's not consistently playing against that kind of level of competition? When we were playing, it was maybe 10 mans, 10 teams, us, Ridley, TRC, which is not even. Not even in the school. [01:00:17] Speaker B: No. More like, how many schools are there now, you think? Can't count, which is insane. [01:00:23] Speaker A: I literally don't know. Every other. Every other week I'm hearing a new school. [01:00:27] Speaker B: So that's my thing too. Should there be some regulation? [01:00:31] Speaker A: And that's what I was gonna ask next is what. What is the criteria to make somebody eligible to a become a coach, a become a trainer, and then a. To run a school? [01:00:44] Speaker B: Anybody can be. That's. That's the sad thing. [01:00:46] Speaker A: And that's. And that's a sad thing. [01:00:48] Speaker B: That's a sad thing because now I'm like, if I got the money, I can just start my prep school. [01:00:52] Speaker A: Real talk, just go. [01:00:53] Speaker B: From what I'm hearing is most times you just go to a school and you're like, hey, as long as you look presentable, you have kids that you can bring in, some kids that will pay, like we talked about, that can bring in cash to the school. They will literally bring you come to school and let you come and play there. So it's like, it's a pretty easy process. And yeah, any. Any other pet peeves that you have. [01:01:20] Speaker A: Just the fact that, like, those. These kids don't really have anything to experience, like, from a youthful standpoint at the, at the high school level. Like, a lot of these games don't have all their friends. Like, it's not something that, like, they're. They're enticed to. To want to go to. Like, when I was A kid. And we had Early Bird. I'm amped to go to Early Bird. I'm amped to go to Rim Rocker. Like, there's things that I wanted to do as a kid because there was experiences that I wanted to have as a kid. Not just from a basketball standpoint, but just holistically. I don't feel like these kids are in a space where they get to experience that on a consistent basis. [01:02:00] Speaker B: Yeah, I think it was a great discussion just on the state of prep school All Canadian games. I wanted your opinion because you went through the whole process, right? You gonna be at the All Canadian for sure. You gonna check it out for sure. I think it'll be good. I think it'll be interesting. But I think that's the thing you support and you want the best for the next generation. Cause you went through, you know what it was like. You just wanted to get it right. You wanted to improve. Just so like stuff that you went through, stuff that you dealt with. [01:02:27] Speaker A: Right. [01:02:27] Speaker B: Is better for the next kid coming up. [01:02:28] Speaker A: Right. And I've also seen this. When man see this, I want you guys to know I'm not saying any of these things without me putting myself in these environments before making these speculations. And to his point, I've done this. I don't want to be involved in coaching. I don't want to be involved in [01:02:45] Speaker B: any kind of coach. [01:02:47] Speaker A: I. I've coached, I've removed myself from it and I haven't coached since. So again, I'll say it again. I don't want to coach. I don't want to put myself in any position of benefiting off of children in that regard. So everything I say is for the betterment of the kids, development, the parents knowledge, and hopefully whoever needs to be accountable. [01:03:09] Speaker B: These are just hidden gems. For free. [01:03:11] Speaker A: Yeah, Drop for free game until it's not free. [01:03:13] Speaker B: Honestly, tell me about ISO Legends stuff you're working on now. One on one league, I believe not league, but like you guys been doing it for months now. [01:03:23] Speaker A: Like seven, eight months now. Yeah. [01:03:24] Speaker B: The crowd that I saw was in late February, early March. That came out. How did that came? How did that come about? And then also just tell me about how it's grown. [01:03:34] Speaker A: So I wasn't on the starting cast of ISO Legends. That has started between a few of my other homies. So Mike, dj, tmg, Chevy, they started something where it was kind of like just banter. So it's like imagine me and you just bopping off and saying, yo, you can't grab me. Yeah, it just turned into a classical game. Yeah. Just turned into a little game. And then I ended up pulling up to it for what it was. It was a great turnout. [01:04:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:04:04] Speaker A: And from that point, it kind of just kept building. And Mike had hit me up, asking what he thought about certain guys playing because he kind of wanted to up the level of competition to make it more entertaining. [01:04:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:04:17] Speaker A: When I started putting some things together, you know, over a period of time, it just came to the point of me like kind of joining the team. So I joined, I want to say around July or August, and that was around the time when we were able to get like Andrew out. We got Frank Mitchello on point, started messing with us. Showtime. [01:04:35] Speaker B: Andrew Nevard. Yeah. [01:04:36] Speaker A: So that's kind of where we kind of started taking off now in January. Devin the Lab or Ball is Life. They hit, they went on Instagram basically saying they're, they're coming to Toronto. And this is why I shout out K Showtime. Because all he did was slid up and he told them to lock in with us and pretty much the rest is history. [01:04:57] Speaker B: Showtime. [01:04:57] Speaker A: Yeah, it was really all on Kavana still. So Kavan told them about ISO legends and then they hit us up and they pretty much said, yo, we're coming on this day. Just set it up and be ready for us to come down. [01:05:08] Speaker B: So it's like a one on one type of basketball where it's like up [01:05:11] Speaker A: to what it was one on one and it was two on two and three on three. [01:05:15] Speaker B: So grand prize money on the line. [01:05:19] Speaker A: So this is a series. So what it was is pretty much for us to be able to get an opportunity to go on tour and represent Toronto. [01:05:26] Speaker B: I seen Philly was here. [01:05:28] Speaker A: Philly. I hope I'm getting this right. It was Philly, dmv, New Orleans, US and one other city. Oh, in New Jersey. [01:05:36] Speaker B: New Jersey. [01:05:37] Speaker A: So yeah, like they all came down and then the first day was just about proving grounds. [01:05:42] Speaker B: Were people shocked at the level of talent? Toronto, they were the Philly. Philly guys. [01:05:46] Speaker A: Everybody, everybody was shocked, but it was the crowd too. It wasn't the talent that they were shocked at. It was just like who we are like as a city. [01:05:53] Speaker B: Like, yeah, you brought us Scotty Barnes. [01:05:56] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:05:56] Speaker B: Who else was there? [01:05:57] Speaker A: Emmanuel Quickley, Jamal. She was there. [01:06:00] Speaker B: Jacoby, I think was there. [01:06:02] Speaker A: Kobe was there too. Yeah. [01:06:03] Speaker B: What's that like, seeing those guys kind of just embrace it too? [01:06:06] Speaker A: It's happy that they're actually seeing the real, the real side of the city. That's my thing. Like you're not you're not just on King street seeing a whole bunch of. A whole bunch of surface level stuff. Like, you know, for them to see the heart of the city and the atmosphere and who we are is like, you know, and Scotty embraces it. Like that's one thing that I'll always give him. He no one told him about it. He saw it on Instagram and he said I'm in there. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like I'm in there. [01:06:35] Speaker B: So real Toronto, man. [01:06:36] Speaker A: Real Toronto. So like for him to, to be so enthusiastic about our culture already and then for him to be open arms with it was grateful, fam. Just honestly grateful. [01:06:48] Speaker B: Wrecking the six two. You did that in the summer. Dylan Brooks played in that. A lot of pros also played in that too. Tell me about that and how that came. [01:06:57] Speaker A: So this is around like this time last year or maybe a little. Yeah, this time last year, shout out my little bros, Deji and Danza. And they're just younger than me, but they're not. No, you know, still big dogs. But yeah, they just hit me up and they, they had a vision to bring the feeling back. You know, I feel like for me that's what it is like bringing back the essence of what Toronto basketball actually felt like and looked like, you know, from how I was a kid. Like those OVO bounce, there was all these things I used to look forward to, even like going to Sheridan game, Humber game like when I was a kid. Like certain things are so lit and I was so emotionally invested into. So Danzo and Deji, they hit me up saying they wanted to do a program where it recreated the OVO bounce and just giving kids something to look up to and you know, having an experience. Feel like a lot of kids don't get the chance to see high level talent firsthand, you know. So that was the main thing that [01:07:56] Speaker B: we wanted to accomplish coming back again [01:07:58] Speaker A: this year for sure. [01:07:59] Speaker B: Excited tapping Summertime yeah. Always a vibe. Shout out to Dylan too. Always showing out. [01:08:03] Speaker A: Dylan, bro. [01:08:04] Speaker B: Coming out. Always down to play 24 hours after [01:08:07] Speaker A: he gets traded to Phoenix. After our game, bro. [01:08:09] Speaker B: Crazy. And he probably knew beforehand that was going to happen too, right? Cuz that was been in so many. [01:08:14] Speaker A: There's so many complications when trying to [01:08:16] Speaker B: get an NBA player. [01:08:17] Speaker A: NBA player. But he just did it off the strength. So it's just like, yeah. Shout out to my guys. [01:08:22] Speaker B: Shout out Dylan Brooks, man, you. I can't thank you enough for coming on the pod. [01:08:25] Speaker A: For sure. [01:08:26] Speaker B: Yeah. And be right back. This Is Canadian basketball show. I'm your host, Le Ben Os. Welcome back to the Canadian basketball show. I'm your host, Lee Ban Osmond. This is the second time I'm putting one of our interns knowledge on Canadian basketball to the test. Welcome to the show. Tall Ash Dua. How you doing, brother? [01:08:54] Speaker C: Doing pretty good, man. I'm excited for this. [01:08:55] Speaker B: So are you ready to put your knowledge to the test? Where would you rank it? [01:09:02] Speaker C: Honestly, out of 10? I'd probably give myself, like, probably like a five. [01:09:06] Speaker B: A five? [01:09:07] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:09:07] Speaker B: So you're like 50. You're not even that confident. [01:09:09] Speaker C: I mean, yeah, it's just like all around basketball, I would say honestly, like 10, but Canadian basketball, a little lower. [01:09:16] Speaker B: Okay. Okay. Internship so far. How's it been going? [01:09:20] Speaker C: Been a lot of fun, man. We've been doing a lot of, you know, fun, fun things. A lot of great content. So, you know, just blessed and, you know, being able to be a part of it. [01:09:28] Speaker B: How closely do you feel you follow k in basketball outside of maybe the show and just like in general? [01:09:34] Speaker C: Honestly, I feel like on a national stage, I follow it more than in terms of just like, maybe like the kind of like the upand cominging kids. So I've been trying to kind of like get more into that because obviously that's where like, the future of Canadian basketball is. But yeah, I would say, like, probably like solid. [01:09:51] Speaker B: Solid. [01:09:52] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:09:52] Speaker B: The wave of talent is crazy. Yeah. I don't think we have. We might have some trivia questions alluding to maybe past players that came up, but mostly people that are playing in the wnba, in the NBA, the national team. This is all those questions will be around, that kind of stuff. Do you think you'd do a better job than Jacques, who's still yet to be tested, or Jonathan, who scored a three? [01:10:20] Speaker C: I like to hope so. I have to hope I can get better than three. Three out of ten, but we'll see what happens. [01:10:25] Speaker B: I don't think you can do bad as Jonathan, but this is how we're going to do it. For those listening, I'm going to ask Todd 10 questions on Canadian basketball. You guys can play along with us. Let us know if you got perfect. Some of these questions are multiple choice. Some of these are not. He's going to have two lifelines. I can help him with an answer. Eliminate one of the wrong multiple choices. Give him a hint. So don't remember, don't forget, don't forget you have a lifeline. Jonathan, I don't think he uses lifelines. Yeah, you have Two lifelines. I don't think these questions are that difficult, but are you ready? [01:11:01] Speaker C: I'm ready, man. Let's do it. [01:11:03] Speaker B: Let's get started. Question number one. How many Canadian NBA players have scored 50 plus points in a game? A1, B2, C3, D4. What is your answer? [01:11:23] Speaker C: Which one was the one with 3? C. I'm gonna go with C. You're [01:11:27] Speaker B: gonna go with C? That answer is sadly incorrect. Ah. The answer is B2. Oh. Shay Gilgeous Alexander. [01:11:37] Speaker C: Yeah. Shea was one. I knew that. [01:11:38] Speaker B: He just hit it recently. October. Yeah. Had a career high 55 points and double overtime against Indiana Pacers in. And the other person was Jamal Murray, who also hit it in the calendar year. Had 55 as well against the Portland Chillbazers. You were close, though. 3. Steve Nash had 48 points. [01:11:57] Speaker A: Oh. [01:11:58] Speaker B: He was on the cusp of 50, so I don't blame you for saying 3, but Steve Nash was right. Right there. But the answer is to be. Let's get to question number two. Who was the highest drafted Canadian WNBA player? Is it A, Ali Edwards? Is it B, Stacey Dales? Is it C? Tammy Sutton Brown? Is it D? Kia Nurse. What is your answer? [01:12:31] Speaker C: I'm gonna go with A. Aaliyah Edwards. [01:12:33] Speaker B: Aaliyah Edwards. At a. UConn. I'm Sally to say Todd. You are incorrect. Stacey Dale's the legend. Drafted third overall in 02 by the Washington Mystics. Stacy. I think she does some NFL stuff. [01:12:49] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:12:49] Speaker B: NFL stuff now. So. Man, I was hoping you do better than your. Your Green Bay packers, man. But it's. It's looking tough right now. But you still got a lot of. Yeah, a lot of. A lot of room. You still have two lifelines. Don't forget about that. Yeah. Question number three. Can you name five current Canadian NCAA players? [01:13:13] Speaker C: Is this men's or women's or both? [01:13:14] Speaker B: Both. You can do both. [01:13:15] Speaker C: Okay. Cassandra Prosper. [01:13:20] Speaker B: Cassandra Prosser. Notre Dame. Shout out to her. [01:13:23] Speaker C: Toby Fournier. [01:13:24] Speaker B: Toby Fournier. That's two out of Crestwood Duke. [01:13:30] Speaker C: I'm gonna say Jasmine Basco. [01:13:34] Speaker B: Yeah. Jasmine Basco. Villanova. Shout out to her. You got three. [01:13:41] Speaker C: I'm gonna say Xavian Lee. [01:13:42] Speaker B: Xavian Lee. That's four. Can you name one more Canadian NCAA player? [01:13:51] Speaker C: I'm gonna say Silas Swords. [01:13:55] Speaker B: Silas Swords. There you go, toddler. You are on the board. Got one out of three so far. 33%. Not bad. I think that's like league average in the NBA route. [01:14:06] Speaker C: Slightly better than Jonathan so far, right? [01:14:08] Speaker B: So far. Better than that. Better than Jonathan. You Got five Canadian NCAA players. Let's get to question number four. How many Canadian NBA players are in the hall of fame? Is it A1, is it 2B, is it 3C, or is it 4D? [01:14:27] Speaker C: Is this just players or is it could be like executives, general managers, players. Players. Unless I'm blanking, I'm gonna say one. [01:14:37] Speaker B: One. That answer. Sally. Incorrect. [01:14:43] Speaker A: You. [01:14:43] Speaker B: I'm guessing you thought Steve Nash. [01:14:44] Speaker C: Steve Nash, for sure. [01:14:45] Speaker B: 100. [01:14:46] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:14:46] Speaker B: Second one. I'll be honest, I wouldn't have got this too is Bob Hubergs, 1987, from British Columbia. Shout out to him. [01:14:56] Speaker C: Shout out to him. [01:14:57] Speaker B: Two guys Canadian. Likely this will be growing. This will be a list that will expand to five, probably when it's all said and done in the next I don't know how many years. But that list will grow dramatically. Let's get to question number five. Can you name every Canadian NBA lottery pick in the 2000s from 2020 to 2025? Top 14 pick. [01:15:23] Speaker C: So top 14 pick. [01:15:25] Speaker B: Remember, you still have lifelines. We're on question five. [01:15:28] Speaker C: Keyshawn George. [01:15:29] Speaker B: Keyshawn George was not a lottery pick. He was, I believe, the 24th pick in the 2024 draft. We're looking for the top 14. Let's see, let's see. He's a steel, though. He should have been allowed to be pick. Yeah, that's why. That's what we're thinking about. [01:15:44] Speaker C: It was his teammate, Will Riley. [01:15:46] Speaker B: Will Riley was the 21st pick by the Utah Jazz, then traded to the Washington Wizards. If I am correct, Will Riley also should have been higher. Higher, but not a lottery pick. [01:16:08] Speaker C: All right. Can I use a lifeline for a lifeline? [01:16:11] Speaker B: Yeah, I will give you a great lifeline with this. Okay. I'm very generous as a host. All right, I'm going to give you. There's four players and they were drafted by these four teams. Okay. We're not going to include one name because he's not really technically Canadian. The first team, San Antonio Spurs. Okay. The Portland Trail Blazers, the Indiana Pacers and the Memphis Grizzlies. [01:16:42] Speaker C: Okay. [01:16:43] Speaker B: Four Canadians were drafted by those teams from 2020 to 2025. Can you name the four Canadians? This is an extreme. This is like. Yeah, not even just a lifeline. This is like a pull you over, like, put you on my backpack. Like this is that type of LeBron [01:16:59] Speaker C: 2012 versus the Celtics. [01:17:00] Speaker B: Yes. Can you get the four names now [01:17:04] Speaker C: going to say Shaden Sharp. [01:17:05] Speaker B: Shaden Sharp of the Trailblazers. Yes. That's one. Benedict Matheran Benedict Mahon of Indiana. I feel like I gave too much of a lifeline. That was too easy. [01:17:15] Speaker C: Zack. [01:17:16] Speaker B: Edie. Zach. Edie of the Memphis Grizzies. That's number three. There is one more. I'll be honest, he's a bit of a forgotten player. [01:17:25] Speaker C: Josh Primo. [01:17:26] Speaker B: Josh Primo. Shout out to Josh Primo. He was the fourth player drafted in the lottery. And then the technicality one was. We were not going to include was Chris Dorte. So he was, but we're not including him. So those were the four players selected. That's. You got that correct. You use your lifeline correctly, you have one more lifeline. I don't think I'm going to give you that much of a help in terms of lifelines again. Yeah. I'll give you simple, simple guess, but right now you are at two out of five, I believe. Correct. Let's get to number six. Which Canadian WNBA player has the highest career high scoring game? Is it A, Keanu? Is it B? Tammy Sutton Brown? Is it C? Aaliyah Edwards? Is it D? Kayla Alexander? But don't let me fool you. There's some good names here. [01:18:25] Speaker C: There's a lot of good names, a lot of talented players. I'm gonna go. Is it Killer Alexander? [01:18:32] Speaker B: It is not. It is. Kia Nurse. [01:18:35] Speaker A: That was my second. [01:18:36] Speaker C: I was like, honored. Oh, that's horrible. [01:18:38] Speaker B: That's a Kia Nurse. In 2018, set a New York Liberty franchise record by scoring 34 points. 34 points off the bench against the Indiana Fever, the most ever by a rookie in team history. Shout out to Keanu. She's now playing with the national team doing. Always doing her thing. Question number seven. I feel like you need this one. When did the Vancouver Grizzlies move to Memphis? Is it A, 2000? Is it B, 2001? Is it C, 2002? Is it D, 2003? Pretty close years. [01:19:24] Speaker C: Is it B, 2001? [01:19:26] Speaker B: You are correct. Officially relocated to Memphis, Tennessee in 01. Now we're getting news of Las Vegas, Seattle potentially getting expansion team. What are your thoughts on that? [01:19:38] Speaker C: I mean, Seattle, I think for sure that'd be absolutely amazing. [01:19:42] Speaker B: They got to keep the name. Yeah. Yeah. [01:19:44] Speaker C: Those OKC Sonic matchups are going to be crazy. [01:19:46] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [01:19:47] Speaker C: And in Vegas, obviously, we see them with hockey. Like, they have a great sports Athens year. [01:19:51] Speaker B: So, yeah, I think some people are like, why not Canada? I think the CBL kind of made it now, like, pointless for the NBA to come back. And, like, the Raptors are kind of Canada's team, but yeah, that's my two cents. Maybe get rid of the cbl. Then they'll consider Montreal again. They'll consider British Columbia. Yeah. Vancouver. Question number eight. What are you at now? Correct. [01:20:13] Speaker C: Three out of seven. [01:20:15] Speaker B: Three out of seven. So you could potentially get six if you get all them right. And you still have a lifeline. Remember that? Yeah. Question number eight. Who was the longest tenured coach in Canadian senior men's basketball history? Is it A? Leo Rowens? Is it B? J. Triano. Shout out to him. We just had him on the show. [01:20:40] Speaker C: Y. [01:20:41] Speaker B: Is it C? Jack Donahue? Is it D? Nick Nurse. [01:20:48] Speaker C: Is it B? G? [01:20:50] Speaker B: It is not. It's C. Jack Donahue. He was coach from 72 to 88 at that time. I'll be honest. I don't know if they were even like, firing coaches like he was on for, for, for. This is a long time. Time. 16 years, man. Nobody stood up and said, hey, we should consider something else. But Jack. Jack Donahue did his thing. I think he had a lot of the. The national team based up in. In bc. So shout out to. To Jack Donahue. Question number nine. Remember, you still have a lifeline. [01:21:22] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:21:22] Speaker B: What is the highest finish the Canadian senior women's national team has had at an Olympics? Is it A, gold? Is it B? Bronze? Is A C, 4th place? Is it D? A 6th place finish? [01:21:42] Speaker C: Can I use a lifeline for this one? [01:21:43] Speaker B: You can use a lifeline for this one. And I will say that the best Finish was in 1984 at the Olympics. And the answer is not B. They did not get bronze. [01:22:02] Speaker C: I'm gonna say. I know it's gotta be one of those. It's one of those two. I'm gonna say D, sixth place. [01:22:11] Speaker B: The answer is actually C. Fourth place finish. That is the highest they ever got. [01:22:20] Speaker C: That's crazy. [01:22:20] Speaker B: They actually got a sixth place finish in 1976. So that is the second highest finish ever. Pretty tough question. Like, honestly, just to narrow the two, they haven't been close since. Fourth place finish. The highest finish they've had since is 2016 with seventh. So, yeah, hoping the senior woman's national team with the players in college, that the new wave of talent could get them back to. To the promised land, get them back in the mix. We shall see. The last question. Do you have a lifeline still left? [01:22:56] Speaker C: No, that's it. [01:22:56] Speaker B: That's it. This is personally my favorite question. Oh, boy. This is a historic. This was a historic year. What year did the Canadian U19 boys team win the FIBA U19 World Cup? They won gold first time ever, and it's never been replicated since. Is it A, 2015? Is it B, 2016? Is it C, 2017? Or is it D, 2021? [01:23:36] Speaker C: I'm going to go with A 2015. [01:23:39] Speaker B: You were off by two years. The answer is C, 2017. Shout out to RJ Barrett. The greatest performance on the age group level we've ever seen from a Canadian. I don't think anybody's come close. Winning gold. The only gold in program history. 38 points, 13 rebounds, 5 assists against a stacked USA team with Emmanuel Quickley, Payton Pritchard, I believe Cam Reddish, PJ Washington, Josh Okoji. Shout out to rj. Emmanuel Miller was also on that team. Roy Rana, also the head coach of that team. A special group, especially when you consider that roster and how it came together. You hear a lot of stories. That team was not supposed to be that. Like a lot of dropouts last minute, but they got it done in 2017. What did you get at? [01:24:36] Speaker C: The same as Jonathan. [01:24:37] Speaker B: Three out of 10. [01:24:38] Speaker A: That's tough. [01:24:40] Speaker B: That is tough. That's tough, man. [01:24:43] Speaker C: That's tough. [01:24:43] Speaker B: What are your thoughts on your performance? [01:24:45] Speaker C: It's tough because I. [01:24:46] Speaker B: What could you say for yourself? [01:24:48] Speaker C: I had a few of them there. Whereas, like, if I just chose the second option, I probably would have got six out of ten. [01:24:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:24:53] Speaker C: So. But shoulda, coulda would have, you know, [01:24:55] Speaker B: should have killed a 10. Yeah. In our hearts, you got six out of 10. Yeah. But in reality, three out of 10. Do you think this was hard? Honestly, a lot of trick questions. I'm guessing, too. [01:25:09] Speaker C: A little difficult. You know, I feel like I was going to have a good performance coming into this, but, you know, like they always say, you know, on paper it looks good, but the games are played on grass, so. [01:25:18] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, that was fun. I want to know what people got that were listening in. We're going to put Jacques to the test next. All he has to do is get higher than 3. I never thought that would be possible. I appreciate you, Todd, for jumping on. We'll see if Jacques can score higher. And I still got to come up with a prize. A prize, honestly, for scoring four is kind of crazy. Like, if that's what the prize is. Honestly, if you don't score higher than three, nobody gets a prize. I am not giving anybody a prize for getting three. For all three of you guys, getting three on a trivia quiz like, this would be insane. But send us your questions. If you have any trivia questions on Canadian basketball. You want me to ask them whether it's tough, whether you think it's easy. Send us some questions. Follow us on ig. Leave us a five star rating. That always helps out. But yeah, tap in with us at the Canadian Basketball Show. Todd, can't thank you enough for joining. 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